Yep I am 100% a Hi Point defender. When I think about "what gun stuff would I like next" I use Hi Points as currency. "Would I rather have that _____ or four Hi Points to gift to friends and family?" it's increasingly difficult to argue with myself against this. I'm currently staying at a family member's house that is protected by a HPF revolver, a great era to be sure but moving forward unless the PT111 G2 goes on sale for $149 again I feel like Hi Point is the way to go. Gift package would be Gun with case, two mags and accessories: $130, ideally $100 on sale which happens once or twice a year Both mags filled with JHP's: $20 Decent holster: $20 So you're looking at well under $175 after tax for a full pistol setup. The only things that come close right now are the SCCY CPX2, Ruger EC9 and Taurus PT111 G2 / G2C.