PG Man Candy: The Reckoning

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Rogue, Oct 31, 2016.

  1. Schumacher was great competitor, but he suffers from a few things. He was a cheat, somewhat like Senna, and not above driving people off the road to win titles. He was probably banned or penalised more than any other top driver ever. He also suffers from a lack of competition. You could argue that Hakkinen was a great driver, but his other rivals are in the good, not great category. Hill and Villeneuve won titles but weren't in the same class as the GOAT types, other drivers wining races regularly were Coulthard and Barrichello. Compare that to the 80s when you had Prost, Senna, Mansell, Piquet, Rosberg and Lauda all winning. It's also worth remembering that most of Schumacher's wins came under a rule set that broke races into sprints between pit stops. He also destroyed his team mates and had car and tyre combinations built solely for his driving style.
    Alonso is strange in that he may well be one of the best drivers in the sport (perhaps second only to Hamilton now) but his heart doesn't really seem to be in it. He has also crumbled under pressure from his team mate.
     
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    With changes post Senna death you could say that team leader was almost as important as the driver, picking the right time for pit stop became more important than duels between the drivers. It's what killed my interest in the sport (shitty designated comentator on the TV also contributed).
     
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    I definitely think that Schumacher and Alonzo are the two best all-around drivers of the modern era, or perhaps I should say I think they are the best drivers who have remained reasonably consistent. I can't discount that drivers like Raikkonen or Hamilton have had better single seasons, but I just think that you could never count Schumacher or Alonso out if their cars were even reasonably competitive. Of course, Schumacher almost always had a competitive car, and Alonso almost stole two titles from Vettel when everyone knew the Red Bull was faster.

    I can't completely buy into Hamilton. He's crazy fast, but I think he's not as complete as some others. Button scored more points than him over their time together at McLaren, and he's had two seasons where he was entirely too close to Nico Rosberg at Mercedes. Nico isn't nearly as fast, so Hamilton clearly has weaknesses when it comes to finding the right setup on certain tracks etc. I think that (like Senna), he has failed to finish races that someone like Alonso, Button or Rosberg would have found a way to finish... even if it was limping the car across the finish line and taking fewer points than normal.
     
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    Schumacer's prime also came in a time when the teams didn't have equality in the area of tires. There was no doubt that Ferrari's partnership with Bridgestone had a lot to do with their dominance. I know they were also forcing Rubens Barrichello (and I think Massa) to test Schumi's setups and new tire compounds.
     
  5. The sport is generally set up to benefit Ferrari, as they are the big draw. No other team really inspires fans.
     
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    My favorite team back then was Williams, but everyone else was split between McLaren or Ferrari, some people took their teams losing rather poorly.
     
  7. I always liked the British teams but at one point that was almost all of them. In the mid 90s the Ferraris were designed in the UK, Mercedes engines were and still are made by Illmor in Kent. For the others - Williams, Mclaren, Brawn, Jordan, Stewart, Jaguar, Lola, Benetton, Tyrell, Arrows, Simtek, Pacific, Lotus, Footwork, BAR, Force India, March, Caterham, Manor, Marussia and Red Bull are or were all British based. Britian is the best country n the world when it comes to building a very small number of cars, we just fail at production.
     
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    For nation that came up with industrial revolution you people seem to do much better at butique production than at mass production.
     
  9. Unions in the 60s and 70s, together with a de-skilling of the workforce, a focus on the service industries and political interference in manufacturing all combined to kill things. British car companies in particular tended to be very hit and miss; great cars, good cars with terrible electronics and disasters like the Austin Allegro. It's worth bearing in mind that Communist bloc cars were as good as Western European cars in the 70s, it was the 80s when development sped up and the gap grew.
     
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    I think that Sauber and Ferrari are the only teams that don't operate out of England now... right?
     
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  11. I don't know at the moment, it's quite often been the case that there has been a French, Swiss and Italian team and everything else has been British.
    Mercedes, Haas, Force India, McLaren, Renault, Red Bull and Williams are all based in the UK, or at least that's where the chassis are designed and made. Ferrari, Toro Rosso and Sauber are the only non-British teams. The teams are also based in a tiny area - a thin strip that basically runs between Oxford and Cambridge, through Milton Keynes and up into Northamptonshire.

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    Lola would fit on that map, as well as TWR, Reynard, Van Diemen, and just about every chassis maker out there as well. Cosworth, and Ilmor are both in the same area as well as some of the teams preparing rally cars (I think Prodrive).
    The only motor racing outside North America where British teams don't do so well is sportscar racing - we only have 17 Le Mans wins compared to Germany's 34.
    Porsche have 18, Audi 13, Mercedes 2, BWM 1.
    Britain has also held the land speed record for all bar about 9 years since 1914.
     
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