Forming the New American Vision! Discerning the Essentials, Acting on the Vision

steamed rice

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Paging Big Heads and Red Bloods! We need you all!

Essentially I want an America that follows God's design, the Natural Order. I want to Visualize how modern America could become much more like that in the near future.

Attack this objective in any way you want, logic, anecdote, analysis of charts and maps, images. I tried to do some logical outlining below. It is unfinished draft but it will never crystallize into something good until I start getting it out there! More posts will come, I also intend to try to explode right from current day into image-heavy future visions, no bigbrain stuff! (tfw maga hat fits on first snap) This will be more towards the Actionable Vision goal of this trhead, because my entire purpose is to get to Ripple Effects, Master-key Actions, zog vulnerabilities, removals of resisitnace, suppliers of materials, catalysts to let the natural order take its course.


Essentially we want a Good society. Good has a powerful, clear definition.

A good society is organized in agreement with man’s instinct, because God created man’s instinct for good. A good society is guided by leaders because man’s instinct is to follow leaders he's devoted to, he supports, attends, follows, admires, glorifies, loves, hero-worships, esteems. I'm gonna sum it up "the follower acclaims his leader" or "a leader has to be a hero of his followers." A leader IS FOLLOWED. A non-heroic man cannot become a leader by directing/forcing people to follow him. That is a different thing, it is not leadership properly defined, leadership as created by God for a Good society.

  • In a leader, people mostly acclaim charisma, attractiveness, and prowess in admirable things - heroic traits.

  • The only person who can be a leader is someone with those heroic traits, because he wouldn’t be followed if he wasn’t acclaimed as his followers' hero.

  • To get leaders, the society must have an "arena" where potential leaders’ traits are on display to a majority of the people in the society, otherwise no one would know about the leader’s admirable traits so he wouldn’t be acclaimed as a hero, giving him the power of leadership, of being followed.

    • If the potential leader displays heroic traits in the arena to the majority, he will be acclaimed as a hero and he will be followed as a leader of his society.

      • Potential leaders must be able to display their traits in the arena.

      • The arena must allow the display of charisma, attractiveness, and prowess to the majority of people in the society.

      • It should be instinctively clear to the majority that the actions accomplished in the arena are important to the good of the society. It should be instinctively clear that a potential leader's heroic traits are benefiting the society.
Truth, Goodness, and Beauty are the highest things, so a good society must place them highest, above technology and the economy.
  • Only acclaimed leaders can place these things in society, because only acclaimed leaders can keep majority of people from defaulting to base desires.
  • So most of the leaders must place Truth, Goodness, and Beauty highest.
  • A religion that places Truth, Goodness, and Beauty highest must be followed by the majority, because without religion, humanity’s base desires will place technology and the economy highest. (would take some expansion to prove that)

    • The religion that does this placement best is “traditional” Christianity (Pre-Reformation Christianity > Traditional Catholicism)
  • Traditional Catholicism and the society that places Truth, Goodness, and Beauty highest will both be opposed spiritually and materially by Evil because evil categorically opposes all Truth, Goodness, and Beauty.

    • The religion can fight back on the spiritual front, but the society and the religion both need material protection.

    • Most of the leaders must protect the society and traditional Catholicism from material evil opposition.

      • Without material protection from evil provided by these leaders, the society will be destroyed and the religion will lose popular influence.
A good society demonstrates God’s existence, natural law and its primacy over material (technology and the economy) to the people.

  • Modern material’s impressiveness makes it hard for people to see God’s existence, natural law and its primacy over material, so these must be actively demonstrated.

    • To do this, most leaders must demonstrate God’s existence, natural law, and its primacy over material, because only leaders have the ability to demonstrate concepts to the people.
For the leader to successfully affect society, his followers must be able to successfully act on his direction. To act successfully, his followers must have

  • Time (expand all these - the point is we need "honeycomb local strength" - family - no zog control)

  • Place

  • Means

    • To hear the leader’s direction

    • To begin the leader’s direction

    • To complete the leader’s direction
  • Personal ability

    • Capacity

    • Drive

      • Clarity (not drugged)

This society does not exist in the current world, so a new mode of society must exist that

  • Does the above

  • Accepts existence of man’s current material, because you can’t rewind a society

So we need honeycomb [massive expansion of what that means - source of all strength] communities that are traditional Catholic, because Catholicism values truth, goodness, and beauty highest. Each community needs an arena in which something exciting and meaningful to the people occurs, in which the community members’ charisma, attractiveness, and prowess is on display for everyone to see. The members who display sufficient charisma, attractiveness, and prowess in action that is instinctively clearly beneficial to the society are acclaimed as heroic and thus followed as leaders. These leaders must protect and strengthen the society and traditional Catholicism, they must believe Truth, Goodness, and Beauty are highest, and place them highest, higher than technological progress and economic success. They must demonstrate God’s existence, Natural Law, and Natural Law’s primacy over technological and economic guidelines to the people.






Communities

  • Human scale

  • Composed of families

  • Traditional Catholic

  • "Honeycomb strength" (expand, what do i mean by that)

  • Have stock that produces Leaders

  • Contain Arena(s)
Arena

  • Something exciting and meaningful to the people as a whole society

    • Since the people believe in God and Natural Law over tech and econ, and because they are humans, this will be something red-blooded and relevant to leadership - originally warlike

    • Because a leader is most valuable as he leads his people to good and protects them from bad, very visibly in the realm of safety - to be important for the people to care about, the arena should be relevant to this - a Community Struggle - ie war.
  • Displays actors’ charisma, attractiveness, prowess, and instinctively beneficial achievement to the people

  • Accessible to potential leaders
Leaders
  • Hero
  • Charismatic

  • Attractive

  • having-prowess

  • actions produce instinctively clear benefit to their society
Leaders’ required actions

  • Protect Society [big expansion needed]

  • Protect traditional Catholicism

  • Believe highest and place highest

    • Truth

    • Goodness

    • Beauty

    • (lowering Economic success and Technological progress from current highest position)
  • Demonstrate to the people

    • God’s existence

    • Natural Law

    • Natural Law’s primacy

      • (lowering technological and economic guidelines from current highest position)
 

steamed rice

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Followers = Strength, the muscle
Leader = Power, the nerve

together = action, willed movement!

Need strong, healthy communities of families, not beholden to zog in any of its faces. Essential to that is local production, removal of large liabilities to larger entities - federal gov, big corporations. Basically each town needs fuck you money.

Need powerful, charismatic leaders who do something big, exciting, heroic for their communities. To have that there needs to be a big community struggle, an arena for red-blooded achievement that benefits the community. Could each town have a hero who makes local production possible for the common man? Frees him from his wagecuck job? The HR department and the requirement to spend every day rotting in office/warehouse eliminate the ability for that man to do anything or stand up for anything. There can be no local strength when everybody has to go be part of a managerial wheel of nothing for 8 hours EVERY FUCKING DAY, not with family, not in nature, not living in their community - sitting in PRISON CELL. How are you going to have a strong community if nobody's there all day? And how are you going to have any good stuff happen when the only time for it is after work when everyone's stressed as fuck and just want convenience, microwaved sugar caps for dinner? The need for the common man to wagecuck is a big public problem that local Heros could solve in each community, and thus become leaders. Sort of a chicken-and-egg situation, but that's OK.

It is hard to fight many of the forces surrounding this head on. I read a bugman book called The Power of Habit which had some useful stuff for figuring out how to move things through our mammonic system (to crush it!)

He introduces the idea of keystone habits for organizational changes on page 97 (google The Power of Habit PDF)

"A keystone habit [is] a pattern that has the power to start a chain reaction, changing other habits as it moves through an organization." "[attack] one habit and then [watch] the changes ripple through the organization."

I believe that the paleo diet is a massive opportunity to replace corporate and federal suppression of American (proto)communities with cohesive communities that have the fuck you strength of local production that makes them able to exist as communities centered around natural order that people instinctively want and that makes them thrive: family, virtue, beauty, health, no-stress peace, life together with friends up and down their street, to come together to do interesting and exciting things when led by a leader, to resist base desire and gross stuff marketed to them by base desire, when a leader shows them better things, etc.

If the average American's dietary habits are shifted to Paleo, the ripple effect will be astounding and it will create the requirement for that local strength to rise. Why: http://thehall.us/index.php?threads/philosophy-of-social-science.7/page-208#post-98254

Here's a summary of The Power of Habit's keystone habits chapter: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-duhigg/the-power-of-habit_b_1304550.html

how did O’Neill make one of the largest, stodgiest, and most potentially dangerous companies into a profit machine and a bastion of safety?

By attacking one habit and then watching the changes ripple through the organization. By targeting Alcoa’s keystone habit.

“I knew I had to transform Alcoa,” O’Neill told me. “But you can’t order people to change.”

“That’s not how the brain works. So I decided I was going to start by focusing on one thing. If I could start disrupting the habits around one thing, it would spread throughout the entire company.”

O’Neill’s success at Alcoa is just one example of a keystone habit, a pattern that has the power to start a chain reaction, changing other habits as it moves through an organization. Keystone habits, I found in writing my book, can influence how people work, eat, play, live, spend, and communicate.

Keystone habits explain how Michael Phelps became an Olympic champion and why some college students outperform their peers. They describe why some people, after years of trying, suddenly lose 40 pounds while becoming more productive at work and still getting home in time for dinner with their kids. And keystone habits explain how Alcoa became one of the best performing stocks in the Dow Jones index, while also becoming one of the safest places on earth.

For instance, consider one event about six months into O’Neill’s tenure, when he got a telephone call in the middle of the night. A plant manager in Arizona was on the line, panicked, talking about how a piece of machinery had stopped operating and one of the workers — a young man who had joined the company a few weeks earlier, eager for the job because it offered health care for his pregnant wife — had tried a repair. He had jumped over a yellow safety wall surrounding the press and walked across the pit. There was a piece of aluminum jammed into the hinge on a swinging six-foot arm. The young man pulled on the aluminum scrap, removing it. The machine was fixed. Behind him, the arm restarted its arc, swinging toward his head. When it hit, the arm crushed his skull. He was killed instantly.

Fourteen hours later, O’Neill ordered all the plant’s executives into an emergency meeting. For much of the day, they painstakingly re-created the accident with diagrams and by watching videotapes again and again. They identified dozens of errors that had contributed to the death, including two managers who had seen the man jump over the barrier but failed to stop him, a training program that hadn’t emphasized to the man that he wouldn’t be blamed for a breakdown, lack of instructions that he should find a manager before attempting a repair, and the absence of sensors to automatically shut down the machine when someone stepped into the pit.

“We killed this man,” a grim-faced O’Neill told the group. “It’s my failure of leadership. I caused his death. And it’s the failure of all of you in the chain of command.”

The executives in the room were taken aback. Sure, a tragic accident had occurred, but tragic accidents were part of life at Alcoa.

Within a week of that meeting, however, all the safety railings at Alcoa’s plants were repainted bright yellow, and new policies were written up. Employees were told not to be afraid to suggest proactive maintenance. And O’Neill sent a note to every worker telling them call him at home if managers didn’t follow up on their safety suggestions.

“Workers started calling, but they didn’t want to talk about accidents,” O’Neill told me. “They wanted to talk about all these other great ideas.”

The Alcoa plant that manufactured aluminum siding for houses, for instance, had been struggling for years because executives would try to anticipate popular colors and inevitably guess wrong. One day, a low-level employee made a suggestion that quickly worked its way to the general manager: If they grouped all the painting machines together, they could switch out the pigments faster and become more nimble in responding to shifts in customer demand.

Within a year, profits on aluminum siding doubled. “It turns out this guy had been suggesting this painting idea for a decade, but hadn’t told anyone in management,” an Alcoa executive told me. “Then he figures, since we keep on asking for safety recommendations, why not tell them about this other idea? It was like he gave us the winning lottery numbers.”

Establishing an organizational habit of suggesting safety improvements had created other habits, as well: recommending business improvements that otherwise would have remained out of sight. By shifting worker safety habits, O’Neill had created patterns of better communication. A chain reaction started that lifted profits.
 

steamed rice

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Make it possible for the average guy to easily pursue local production in his town, enough to comfortably support his family, without enormous amount of stress and work (much time for leisure needed) for many this would be on their own property

Make it happen for the average guy to be on the paleo diet, to consider it of top importance. If (she) believes that big ag is literally KILLING her kids with non-paleo food, you are a hero if you can stop it for her. Paleo is inaccessibly expensive without local small agriculture, ideally many kitchen gardens on small lots, not just family farms
 

steamed rice

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The towns are already there, even the developments can become towns. I want the common space to become vilalge green - grazing land, I want each house to have some little niche operation in it - a little dressmaker's shop in the basement, a storefront in the front rooms, a family living in the upstairs.

You can and should make comfy leather stuffed chairs in each town, we're not going back to the need to sit on hard wooden chairs because that's all we can make locally. Important!
 

steamed rice

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I want that town stuff to be the majority of a normal person's economic activity, and I want economic activity i ngeneral to be the minority of that person's life. They can walk to the dressmaker's house/shop from their own house down the street
 

SimplyXY

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The towns are already there, even the developments can become towns. I want the common space to become vilalge green - grazing land, I want each house to have some little niche operation in it - a little dressmaker's shop in the basement, a storefront in the front rooms, a family living in the upstairs.

You can and should make comfy leather stuffed chairs in each town, we're not going back to the need to sit on hard wooden chairs because that's all we can make locally. Important!
This is a combination of distributism and cottage economy. I approve.
 

Hermann

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What you are proposing has already been prophesied:
Communism will overcome the West, but it will eventually itself be overcome by God. Firstly, through world-wide natural disasters, and secondly through the agency of the Great Monarch whom God will choose for that very purpose:

"His sword will be moved by Divine power......" (Rudolph Gekner, 17th Century)

"And a voice fell from the heavens: 'Here are those whom I have chosen'" (i.e. the Great Monarch and the Holy Pope) (Premol, 5th Century)

Many more such references could be cited, but these suffice to show that the Great Monarch will, indeed, be sent by God. The context of these short excerpts can be found in "CATHOLIC PROPHECY".

Literally hundreds of prophecies announce the rise of the Great Monarch. Here are a few:

"A Frankish King will one day rule over the entire Roman Empire." (St. Augustine, 5th Century)

"The sixth period (of time) will begin with the powerful Monarch." (Ven. B. Holzhauser, 17th Century)

"The good people will triumph when the return of the King is announced." (Cur‚ of Ars, 19th Century)

"He will come from the Fleur-de-Lis..." (Old Saxon prophecy)

"... a King of the House of Lilies..." (St. Cataldus, 5th Century)

"He shall recover the Crown of the Lilies....." (St. Caesar, 5th Century)

"The White Flower again takes possession of the Throne of France." (St. Hildegarde, German Abbess, 12th Century)

"He shall inherit the Crown of the Fleur-de-Lis" (Bishop Ageda, 12th Century)
http://www.todayscatholicworld.com/great-catholic-monarch.htm
 

Son of Odin

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I got legitimate tingles of excitement from reading that. Was Tolkein woke pilled on that, because it sounds like a mirror image of The Lord of the Rings? A king rises to take up the sword and crown of his forefathers to drive out the third world savage orcs and raise up a new age from the ashes of a dead corrupt one.
 

SimplyXY

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It's the same as King Arthur, we're talking some "return of the true king" monomyth. Like all of these things, it's fundamentally true.
There's an English thread to this you can read about on the Albion Awakening blog. It goes back a long way.
Every spiritual or religious viewpoint seems to have the same cycle, followed by the great return. The cycle can be a forever one (second coming) a national one (vital leaders, think Alfred the Great), or keep repeating itself (every 80 years brings one great leader and rebuilding phase, as in the 4th turning). I keep mentioning the same thing - I am coming to the conclusion that mythology is fractal.
 
#12
This is all much more interesting than edgy racist frog nonsense. If you aren't dealing with the fact that a magic 100% white America would still SUCK in many ways, you are getting nowhere. Think about it, tons of guys dream about moving to brown 3rd world countries specifically to escape office-park clown world. So unless you are attacking that head on, who cares?

So anyway, breaking this down from galaxy brain level the plan for is: 1. be in the Church, 2. obtain wife, 3. form healthy traditional families, 4. be near and linked with other healthy traditional families (maybe even a colony of sorts), 5. pursue self-sufficiency/self-defense from clownworld, 5. win the demographic war via higher birthrates. Society in general is not going to reform per se, this will be a matter of converting individuals and shifting the makeup of the next generations.

To make this even simpler: Start by going to Mass this Sunday.
 
#14
I don't believe, though.
I feel that our modern focus on belief is actually damaging. Like if I woke up tomorrow and had no belief at all, I would carry on exactly the same, having the kids baptized, getting their sacraments, and going to church together every Sunday. I think it is best to do your duty regardless, and if God sends you faith, all the better. I think that approach was normal when everyone was at least a nominal member of the Church.
 

Endymion

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I'm struggling to understand this concept, though. I wasn't raised in any church, don't know what to think about the nature of God's existence, and I don't know of any religion which interprets things in a way that makes complete sense to me. I guess the question is, what church is it even my duty to attend and why?
 
#16
I'm struggling to understand this concept, though. I wasn't raised in any church, don't know what to think about the nature of God's existence, and I don't know of any religion which interprets things in a way that makes complete sense to me. I guess the question is, what church is it even my duty to attend and why?
Yeah, that is a problem that essentially no one ever had until quite recently. I partly started going to Catholic church simply because my kids were "genetically" catholic at least on their mother's side.
 

Servo

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I feel that our modern focus on belief is actually damaging. Like if I woke up tomorrow and had no belief at all, I would carry on exactly the same, having the kids baptized, getting their sacraments, and going to church together every Sunday. I think it is best to do your duty regardless, and if God sends you faith, all the better. I think that approach was normal when everyone was at least a nominal member of the Church.
Went from believer up until teen years to Agnostic (never really fell into 100% pure irreligion) and then went back to church and felt better with a sort of grounding. Weird shit happening on a few occasions (some of it as a result of clearly Christian activities) makes me a real believer. If I made an effort to be atheist now, which is easy for normies of my general intelligence/social circle/education/other miscellaneous social pressures, I wouldn't be able to because the fact that there is a God is as obvious to me as water being wet.
 

Winbot

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Make it possible for the average guy to easily pursue local production in his town, enough to comfortably support his family, without enormous amount of stress and work (much time for leisure needed) for many this would be on their own property

Make it happen for the average guy to be on the paleo diet, to consider it of top importance. If (she) believes that big ag is literally KILLING her kids with non-paleo food, you are a hero if you can stop it for her. Paleo is inaccessibly expensive without local small agriculture, ideally many kitchen gardens on small lots, not just family farms
The average guy can already afford to go on paleo but doing so makes him give up most of his earthly pleasures. To demonstrate how long of a road this is to travel, men who have multiple heart attacks continue forward on the sugar and grain diet even when they fully know better.

As for localized agriculture that is another massive hurdle. It gives American communities a big boost but even the most devoted small farms are "hobbyist" unless they really tap into a profitable niche. You want to dismantle the wageslave cycle but it's necessary to support these sorts of projects!
 
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