Forming the New American Vision! Discerning the Essentials, Acting on the Vision

Momentum

Well-known member
#21
The average guy can already afford to go on paleo but doing so makes him give up most of his earthly pleasures. To demonstrate how long of a road this is to travel, men who have multiple heart attacks continue forward on the sugar and grain diet even when they fully know better.

As for localized agriculture that is another massive hurdle. It gives American communities a big boost but even the most devoted small farms are "hobbyist" unless they really tap into a profitable niche. You want to dismantle the wageslave cycle but it's necessary to support these sorts of projects!
Hobbyist activities are a good way to start, but you would need some specialization for this to take off.

Using food as an example, if everyone is:
-growing a bunch of different vegetables/spices
and
-milking a cow/goat
and
-collecting eggs
-etc.
for only their immediate family, it is very inefficient.

If every family in a group of 5-15 families had their own productive activity that was a time commitment of 5 hours (max) a week, a ton could get done.

Focus should be on items the market produces ineffectively/inefficiently:
-proper pickles
-sauerkraut
-raw milk
-Kefir
-free range eggs

These things are all scarce/overpriced in a supermarket. Even in a wagecuck lifestyle you have time to produce one of these. Trading is not strictly required, as long as you are paying each-other in cash to avoid taxes you are fine.
 

Servo

Well-known member
#22
Going paleo would be cheaper than the average Ameribeetuspatient's current habit of constantly buying pizza, pastries and zogwater.
 

Endymion

Well-known member
#23
Going paleo would be cheaper than the average Ameribeetuspatient's current habit of constantly buying pizza, pastries and zogwater.
When you include heroic medical care necessary to sustain basic life functions on SAD, paleo starts to make a lot more sense.

It's not just diabetes it's inflammation which means brain disorders, auto-immune, arthritis and serious cardiovascular disease, leaky gut etc.
 

Iron

Well-known member
#24
I am not sure having a dozen chickens and growing some easy vegetables is very inefficient. You could set up your chickens to be on a timed feeder and give them a big thing of water and only have to do that once a week. Just go by every day or two and get the eggs. I feed and water my handful of ducks every day and it takes less than 10 minutes a day and I do it very inefficiently. I could make it more efficient, but I don't know what I want to do with them so don't want to build the system yet. Raising a decent size garden, just like the chickens, takes some upfront work, but the weekly work isn't much if you lay it out well and put a little bit of foresight into it.

I will say a milk goat/cow/sheep, from what I have heard, is a chore and takes some time. I have never had one, but it isn't as easy as walking by a pen, throwing a bucket of feed on the ground, turning on a hose for 30 seconds, and picking up some eggs out of a raised nesting box. Even so, I think it could be done in, pretty easily, less than an hour a day, with a couple hours of work every now and then catching them when they get out the fence, checking them for worms, repairing shit they tear up inside their pen, etc.

Doesn't mean I don't think you shouldn't get a barter system going with some other families doing similar stuff, but I think the basics you could pretty easily take care of yourself and still have a mostly full-time job if it had flexible hours and you could work from home.

Hobbyist activities are a good way to start, but you would need some specialization for this to take off.

Using food as an example, if everyone is:
-growing a bunch of different vegetables/spices
and
-milking a cow/goat
and
-collecting eggs
-etc.
for only their immediate family, it is very inefficient.

If every family in a group of 5-15 families had their own productive activity that was a time commitment of 5 hours (max) a week, a ton could get done.

Focus should be on items the market produces ineffectively/inefficiently:
-proper pickles
-sauerkraut
-raw milk
-Kefir
-free range eggs

These things are all scarce/overpriced in a supermarket. Even in a wagecuck lifestyle you have time to produce one of these. Trading is not strictly required, as long as you are paying each-other in cash to avoid taxes you are fine.
 

Son of Odin

Well-known member
#25
I think specifically a milk breed like a jersey or one of the other smaller cows that produces a lot of milk would be much easier than that. Largely depends on your land and climate though. If you have a big enough plot you can just use a watering trough on wheels and moveable fence and rotate grazing areas. I think, here, that would be especially effective and potentially require very little hay since it doesn't snow enough to really block off the grass. Other than that, it's just a matter of keeping things away that would spook them into tearing things up.
 

Momentum

Well-known member
#26
I am not sure having a dozen chickens and growing some easy vegetables is very inefficient. You could set up your chickens to be on a timed feeder and give them a big thing of water and only have to do that once a week. Just go by every day or two and get the eggs. I feed and water my handful of ducks every day and it takes less than 10 minutes a day and I do it very inefficiently. I could make it more efficient, but I don't know what I want to do with them so don't want to build the system yet. Raising a decent size garden, just like the chickens, takes some upfront work, but the weekly work isn't much if you lay it out well and put a little bit of foresight into it.

I will say a milk goat/cow/sheep, from what I have heard, is a chore and takes some time. I have never had one, but it isn't as easy as walking by a pen, throwing a bucket of feed on the ground, turning on a hose for 30 seconds, and picking up some eggs out of a raised nesting box. Even so, I think it could be done in, pretty easily, less than an hour a day, with a couple hours of work every now and then catching them when they get out the fence, checking them for worms, repairing shit they tear up inside their pen, etc.

Doesn't mean I don't think you shouldn't get a barter system going with some other families doing similar stuff, but I think the basics you could pretty easily take care of yourself and still have a mostly full-time job if it had flexible hours and you could work from home.
I'm not saying any of the activities I mentioned above are that time intensive, or that they are inefficient compared to buying from the store. What I am saying is that the incremental cost of going from producing enough for your own family, to enough for several families is small. Have 20 chickens isn't that much more of a time/energy commitment than 3. If you could just maintain 20 chickens, and trade for milk, vegetables, etc, it would be much easier than producing everything yourself.
 
#27
This brings me back to my "step by step" thinking. We covered step 1. Step 2 is getting a wife, this applies to everyone other than a very few guys in formal religious life, the french foreign legion, or some such. Frankly, if you are glossing over that, all this is pure mental masturbation.

As far as escaping wage cucking, I am avid on that point. But it also might have to be incremental. First step is to control living costs (I had a huge thread about this) to get the wife home full time and hopefully get the husband at least working at home most of the time.

It might be that the husband has to do wage work for the next 20 years, and maybe the next generation can be boosted into a better life by parental help in starting businesses, or similar efforts.
 

Iron

Well-known member
#28
Ok, it might be easier. But what is your trad wife and 5 children doing to do all day? They need some chores like milking the cow/sheep/goat, pulling weeds, picking berries, gathering nuts, feeding livestock, etc. It would be very easy, methinks, to have all of that stuff you mentioned to feed the family and still trade for other stuff. I think the trading would be more for variety.
 

Servo

Well-known member
#33
When you include heroic medical care necessary to sustain basic life functions on SAD, paleo starts to make a lot more sense.

It's not just diabetes it's inflammation which means brain disorders, auto-immune, arthritis and serious cardiovascular disease, leaky gut etc.
Yeah the savings aspect of being in good health is one actually-effective way to get intelligent fat people on board with being at least weakly interested in weightloss. "Imagine no unexpected, uninsured 5-figure visits to the doctor because you got one of those ailments that comes from being too fucking fat"
 

Winbot

Administrator
Staff member
#34
I'm not trying to drag a blackpill into this thread but "Acting on the vision" is the part I'm stuck on personally. It is quite amazing how the modern economic machine of life finds new ways to pull you down and into it as you try to escape. Even with my healthy dose of irritating pragmatism (I'm not sold on the agri-utopian trad existence somehow working in the 21st century being discussed) and socially unacceptable level of anti-materialism I can't put the pieces together. Most of the advice I receive is from people who are far more intimate with the "old vision" (zog economy world) than myself, it's like making half the climb out of that prison Bane was in and listening to advice from people at the bottom!
 
#35
I don't want to get overly fixated on the Amish in this thread, but they are growing rampantly and really doing what SR is talking about here. Big areas being entirely taken over. Kind of a "proof of concept."

 

Endymion

Well-known member
#36
I was going to talk shit because a lot of the sub-sects use washing machines and phones now but I assume Old Order means no fucking around? Insane, had no idea they were so populous in general. If someone had asked me I wold have said maybe five thousand total!
 

Servo

Well-known member
#38
You should talk to some pediatricians about the horrific inbreeding and genetic problems that Amish kids have.

Confirmed dysgenic as fuck.
Maybe it depends on location, but the ones around here that I've seen don't look bad. Their community is actually consciously aware of the negative effects of inbreeding and they try to mitigate it by sending people to other communities, sometimes even states, to settle down and get married. I've noticed worse markers in Orthodox Skypes.
 

Son of Odin

Well-known member
#39
They had that "spread the seed" initiative at one point too in the states to combat that specific thing. Maybe canadians just have retarded amish
 
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